okay. let's begin here.
i am now #1 banking brain in the west, so i can overpower anyone at all ever, but this still matters because most non white britons are NOT ME..
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2. So rather than wasting minutes of your precious time being hysterical about the Numberwang-antisemitism-claims, what REAL racism do we need to concern ourselves about?
Let us examine, since these people are crusading against 'racism' - let us see what real racism is under their noses and which is stuff none of them - Nick Cohen, Margaret Hodge, Jonathan Freedland, Jess Phillips, Theresa May and her posse of amazingly grotesque conservatives (the biggest contributor to Corbyn's voters? Tories fleeing the shame? Perhaps not the biggest, but it must count for a lot) - to name but a handful of these insufferable arses - none of these pantomime politicians and 'journalists' are apparently even aware of, let alone concerned about the long list of genuine problems of a racism-related nature in Britain today which I shall now write down for you. After that we can move on to the issue of the Labour party and Israel and finally, when we are through the gallery of horror and disgusting activity by these particularly genocidal racists we're dealing with, I can turn to the more pleasant topic of alternatives and what the future can hold if we are intelligent about it, and indeed what could easily be a possibility under the Prime Ministership of Jeremy Corbyn.
a. Jobs
Let us start with jobs. With money. With the stuff you buy your food with. How does racism impact jobs in Britain? I suppose many of you don't know. Well, if you're white. Then you may not know. The rest tend to know in varying degrees. For example, Emily Dugan at the Independent writes:
<< Racial inequality in the workplace has worsened over the last decade, despite the fact that ethnic minorities now outperform white British students in education, research shows.
The Runnymede Trust, the charity behind the study, believes the findings point to institutional racism in the workplace. Ethnic minorities are also more likely to live in poor housing conditions, a comparison of census data from 2001 and 2011 in England and Wales has found.
Omar Khan, director of the trust, said: 'It's time we stopped telling ethnic minorities that all you need to do is get better qualifications and integrate more and it'll be fine. The evidence shows British ethnic minorities don't have a problem in terms of attitude, or education, or good grades, so what else explains their poor outcome in the labour market other than discrimination?'
In more than a third of districts in England and Wales there were increases in ethnic inequalities in employment over the 2000s. Newcastle, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea and Bristol were amongst the cities which saw the gulf in employment outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white British citizens grow in the decade to 2011.
In some cases progress reversed dramatically. Ethnic minorities in Durham, Dover, Fylde and the Ribble Valley had better employment outcomes than white British people in 2001 but by 2011 they were worse.
Mr Khan said: 'I think racism is more hidden now. It's more insidious and hard to capture. It's easier to spot racism when it's Tommy Robinson and the EDL saying awful things. We absolutely need to rebut that, but it can distract attention from insidious racism happening across the country in public and private institutions that not only are preventing black and Asian people from being recruited and promoted but also are leading to higher rates of child poverty and lost opportunities for a third generation of British born ethnic minority young people.' >>
And Jamie Doward of the Guardian writes:
<< Ethnic minority graduates in Britain are much less likely to be employed than their white peers six months after graduation - and many can expect to earn less for years afterwards.
This dramatic divergence in life chances is revealed in a major study - the first comparison of how university choices, parental background and social class can affect students' chances of finding jobs and fulfilling their earnings potential.
The study, by the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Essex, finds that British ethnic minority graduates are between 5% and 15% less likely to be employed than their white British peers six months after graduation. There are also marked disparities in wages between many ethnic minority women and black Caribbean men who do manage to find jobs after graduation and their white counterparts.
It is a gulf that persists long after graduation, according to the study. It found that, three-and-a-half years after they left university, the difference between earnings for ethnic minorities, especially women, and their white peers increases, suggesting they may be finding it harder to climb the career ladder. >>
And Rajeev Syal at The Observer writes about how in 2009 a sting operation revealed racism in UK employment.
In October 2009 a government sting operation targeting hundreds of employers across Britain has uncovered widespread racial discrimination against workers with African and Asian names.
Abigail Morris, employment policy adviser to the British Chambers of Commerce, said << The researchers only used nine occupations, and I am not sure that the number of replies they received is a representative sample. >>
The National Centre for Social Research, commissioned by the Department for Work and Pension (DWP), sent three different applications for 987 actual vacancies between November 2008 and May 2009. Nine occupations were chosen from across the pay spectrum.
This data on its own shows considerable racism in the way employment is awarded and Abigail Morris' response indicates the reasons why Government has done nothing to start fixing the problem.
So consider, to begin with, how many lives are hugely impacted by this form of racism every day and throughout a person's life - their opportunities, their health, everything is contingent on being able to earn enough - but for non white Britain there are few roads which lead to enough.
We hear so-called feminists talking about the very real 'pay gap' but there is a racial pay gap which they don't appear to be that interested in talking about if they are 'feminist' and white.
Kiran Daurka at Leighday writes:
<< A comprehensive look at the true cost of entrenched race discrimination, the EHRC puts a clear spotlight on a divided nation. If this report does not 'start a conversation' about race, then the impact on Britain's reputation within a global market will be hugely detrimental. >>
She points out:
<< The report also highlights that there is a race pay gap. Government should now introduce mandatory race pay gap reporting alongside the mandatory reporting to be completed in relation to the gender pay gap (which it is understood will come into force as of April 2017, with the first reporting to take place in April 2018).
There is no good reason why pay gap reporting should not also cover BAME employees.>>
According to Kiran, << Alongside this, we remain in denial that we live in a society with racial preference. This is now less of a surprise following the surge in reported race hate crime postBrexit. But the metropolitan cities must not be complacent, as race discrimination pervades all systems - education, health, justice and employment. >>
So to begin with, what do the numberwangers say about this systemic racial discrimination impacting millions of British people, impacting their employment opportunities and the basis of their material lives? NOTHING. For it is not numberwang. Somehow it is worthy of a great furore if a man claims that the so-called 'anti-semitism' related defamation of Corbyn and many of his allies is being conducted disingenuously, intellectually dishonestly - THAT is a reason to have a hissy fit. But the millions of non white youngsters whose intelligence is way in ex
cess of the opportunities they are permitted due to the tone of their skin and the name on their birth certificate are nothing for Nick Cohen, Margaret Hodge, Jonathan Freedland, Dacre, Murdoch, Jess Phillips, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, or any of the other absolute cretins to concern themselves over. That's not important. What's important is if a Labour NEC member claims that allegations of anti-semitism are being made up by far right ultra nationalist racists.
Shams Pirani
there we go. so my point and question to you ,to begin with, is this - now at school as you know, i outperformed you by miles, no offence to you, i am an extremely high performer
and yet, for our whole lives, you have better job prospects than i in any case where our employability is allegedly governed by our performance and ability!
now. that's my entire life, living in a fake reality where my skills and ability are disregarded simply because unlike you i am "not white"
currently i am, personally, more powerful than anyone in britain, materially. due to my finalised financial knowledge. but the last 20 years was HIGHLY unfair as is the situation of all non white britons.
do you agree?
Tom SaundersShams Pirani I think the issue might be that you are too modest during job interviews. You need to tell them that you outperformed everyone else at school by miles and are 'more powerful than anyone in Britain'
Ni Ck Alex
There is no point being modest in job interviews. Might as well go for it! Bring in your prefect badge, school swimming certificates, cycling profiency etc.
Tom Saunders
Ross Parkin What's your perspective?
Shams Pirani
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I think the issue might be that you are too modest during job interviews. You need to tell them that you outperformed everyone else at school by miles and are 'more powerful than anyone in Britain'
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sarcasm.
let me explain tom. i submitted job applications online to 300 people, when i left oxford. well, after an initial time of not getting any luck
150 as james jarvis
150 as shams pirani
jarvis had 3 requests for interviews and much flirtation in the email. the white women reading it loved him
shams heard nothing back
the jobs were ALL sales jobs of the sort my cv showed i had experience in
an IT agent, a good one, a decent white guy, not like you, when i said, after months of no luck waiting for jobs from him "if i had a white name, i'd get more luck wouldn't i?" he said "yes, you would." he was an honest guy. i said i was thinking about changing my name by deed poll. he talked me out of it - pointed out that it's my identity, if i change it legally that's permanent
in fact i'm named after my grandfather, a legend in his time.
tom, i'm the funny one. you're not qualified to make jokes funnier than mine
the following is boorish of you:
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I think the issue might be that you are too modest during job interviews. You need to tell them that you outperformed everyone else at school by miles and are 'more powerful than anyone in Britain'
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really childish and boorish. adding insult to injury
Shams Pirani
our time with mr lascelles made me think of you as a more decent person than you apparently are, tom. i didn't expect you to be so rude
Shams Pirani
I think you've forgotten - when it was time for Mr Lascelles to go through our grades - he'd sit with your for half an hour, pained look on his face, trying to help you figure out how to improve
then, and you mentioned this yourself, hence it stuck in my mind, i'd go up and he'd take a glance. "8s, 9s. yes. don't bust a gut" - and that was that
Shams Pirani
so honestly, don't behave as though what i say isn't true
Shams Pirani
glad you called ross in. i was hoping you'd call upon your more vulgar associates (it's okay, i like ross) to back you up against a greater mind than yours. but ross is clever enough to know that if he says anythign stupid i'll call it out.
so let's talk about what i wanted to talk about. i'll repeat my question.
okay. let's begin again.
i am now #1 banking brain in the west, so i can overpower anyone at all ever, but this still matters because most non white britons are NOT ME..
<<
2. So rather than wasting minutes of your precious time being hysterical about the Numberwang-antisemitism-claims, what REAL racism do we need to concern ourselves about?
Let us examine, since these people are crusading against 'racism' - let us see what real racism is under their noses and which is stuff none of them - Nick Cohen, Margaret Hodge, Jonathan Freedland, Jess Phillips, Theresa May and her posse of amazingly grotesque conservatives (the biggest contributor to Corbyn's voters? Tories fleeing the shame? Perhaps not the biggest, but it must count for a lot) - to name but a handful of these insufferable arses - none of these pantomime politicians and 'journalists' are apparently even aware of, let alone concerned about the long list of genuine problems of a racism-related nature in Britain today which I shall now write down for you. After that we can move on to the issue of the Labour party and Israel and finally, when we are through the gallery of horror and disgusting activity by these particularly genocidal racists we're dealing with, I can turn to the more pleasant topic of alternatives and what the future can hold if we are intelligent about it, and indeed what could easily be a possibility under the Prime Ministership of Jeremy Corbyn.
a. Jobs
Let us start with jobs. With money. With the stuff you buy your food with. How does racism impact jobs in Britain? I suppose many of you don't know. Well, if you're white. Then you may not know. The rest tend to know in varying degrees. For example, Emily Dugan at the Independent writes:
<< Racial inequality in the workplace has worsened over the last decade, despite the fact that ethnic minorities now outperform white British students in education, research shows.
The Runnymede Trust, the charity behind the study, believes the findings point to institutional racism in the workplace. Ethnic minorities are also more likely to live in poor housing conditions, a comparison of census data from 2001 and 2011 in England and Wales has found.
Omar Khan, director of the trust, said: 'It's time we stopped telling ethnic minorities that all you need to do is get better qualifications and integrate more and it'll be fine. The evidence shows British ethnic minorities don't have a problem in terms of attitude, or education, or good grades, so what else explains their poor outcome in the labour market other than discrimination?'
In more than a third of districts in England and Wales there were increases in ethnic inequalities in employment over the 2000s. Newcastle, Leeds, Cardiff, Swansea and Bristol were amongst the cities which saw the gulf in employment outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white British citizens grow in the decade to 2011.
In some cases progress reversed dramatically. Ethnic minorities in Durham, Dover, Fylde and the Ribble Valley had better employment outcomes than white British people in 2001 but by 2011 they were worse.
Mr Khan said: 'I think racism is more hidden now. It's more insidious and hard to capture. It's easier to spot racism when it's Tommy Robinson and the EDL saying awful things. We absolutely need to rebut that, but it can distract attention from insidious racism happening across the country in public and private institutions that not only are preventing black and Asian people from being recruited and promoted but also are leading to higher rates of child poverty and lost opportunities for a third generation of British born ethnic minority young people.' >>
And Jamie Doward of the Guardian writes:
<< Ethnic minority graduates in Britain are much less likely to be employed than their white peers six months after graduation - and many can expect to earn less for years afterwards.
This dramatic divergence in life chances is revealed in a major study - the first comparison of how university choices, parental background and social class can affect students' chances of finding jobs and fulfilling their earnings potential.
The study, by the Institute for Social and Economic Research at the University of Essex, finds that British ethnic minority graduates are between 5% and 15% less likely to be employed than their white British peers six months after graduation. There are also marked disparities in wages between many ethnic minority women and black Caribbean men who do manage to find jobs after graduation and their white counterparts.
It is a gulf that persists long after graduation, according to the study. It found that, three-and-a-half years after they left university, the difference between earnings for ethnic minorities, especially women, and their white peers increases, suggesting they may be finding it harder to climb the career ladder. >>
And Rajeev Syal at The Observer writes about how in 2009 a sting operation revealed racism in UK employment.
In October 2009 a government sting operation targeting hundreds of employers across Britain has uncovered widespread racial discrimination against workers with African and Asian names.
Abigail Morris, employment policy adviser to the British Chambers of Commerce, said << The researchers only used nine occupations, and I am not sure that the number of replies they received is a representative sample. >>
The National Centre for Social Research, commissioned by the Department for Work and Pension (DWP), sent three different applications for 987 actual vacancies between November 2008 and May 2009. Nine occupations were chosen from across the pay spectrum.
This data on its own shows considerable racism in the way employment is awarded and Abigail Morris' response indicates the reasons why Government has done nothing to start fixing the problem.
So consider, to begin with, how many lives are hugely impacted by this form of racism every day and throughout a person's life - their opportunities, their health, everything is contingent on being able to earn enough - but for non white Britain there are few roads which lead to enough.
We hear so-called feminists talking about the very real 'pay gap' but there is a racial pay gap which they don't appear to be that interested in talking about if they are 'feminist' and white.
Kiran Daurka at Leighday writes:
<< A comprehensive look at the true cost of entrenched race discrimination, the EHRC puts a clear spotlight on a divided nation. If this report does not 'start a conversation' about race, then the impact on Britain's reputation within a global market will be hugely detrimental. >>
Shams Pirani
She points out:
<< The report also highlights that there is a race pay gap. Government should now introduce mandatory race pay gap reporting alongside the mandatory reporting to be completed in relation to the gender pay gap (which it is understood will come into force as of April 2017, with the first reporting to take place in April 2018).
There is no good reason why pay gap reporting should not also cover BAME employees.>>
According to Kiran, << Alongside this, we remain in denial that we live in a society with racial preference. This is now less of a surprise following the surge in reported race hate crime postBrexit. But the metropolitan cities must not be complacent, as race discrimination pervades all systems education, health, justice and employment. >>
So to begin with, what do the numberwangers say about this systemic racial discrimination impacting millions of British people, impacting their employment opportunities and the basis of their material lives? NOTHING. For it is not numberwang. Somehow it is worthy of a great furore if a man claims that the so-called 'anti-semitism' related defamation of Corbyn and many of his allies is being conducted disingenuously, intellectually dishonestly - THAT is a reason to have a hissy fit. But the millions of non white youngsters whose intelligence is way in ex
cess of the opportunities they are permitted due to the tone of their skin and the name on their birth certificate are nothing for Nick Cohen, Margaret Hodge, Jonathan Freedland, Dacre, Murdoch, Jess Phillips, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, or any of the other absolute cretins to concern themselves over. That's not important. What's important is if a Labour NEC member claims that allegations of anti-semitism are being made up by far right ultra nationalist racists.
Shams Pirani
so please try again as an adult, not in a childish way. do you think it's fair on me, that even you, who can do almost no job as well as i can, have probably 10 times more chance of getting most good jobs, most non menial jobs? it's unfair? do you agree? tom? ross?
Shams Pirani
i can't believe how rude you are tom. i'm an amazing performer, in many areas. when people like you implicitly treat me as not and then on top of that when i say i am call me conceited, it's unfortunate
anyway. i have tried. clearly you are not mature enough to have a rational discussion
Shams Pirani
i'd like to hear from ollie madden too. after all he's famous and when i publish all this material and more on tvhobo, which has already reached 200,000 readers and is now scheduled to target 1,000,000+, ollie madden, like andrew harrop, is a celebrity who has to be named, and shamed on a grand scale, a national scale.
assuming we really don't find a way to talk all this out honestly and openly here.
and i guess your response indicates that we probably won't
Shams Pirani
anyway. what do you say to that tom? i didn't get any interviews. only if i changed my name to a white one on my cv did i get job interviews.
how does that sit with your visibly infantile remark?
Shams Pirani
it's only fair to warn you i have copy pasted this whole thread so far. i can publish it to be viewed by 1000s of britons, over 1,000,000+ by 2025, as i said.
think about how your words look. i am showing them how people from st paul's treat me.
look at yourself objectively now. what will millions of readers say about you and st paul's, in the above thread, tom?
now please answer my question. let's keep this in a semi-private domain and don't force me to challenge you to be honest in the only way left - through mass media trial of you and all the people i knew at sps and oxford and the institutions themselves
Shams Pirani
you're not as stupid as you're making people think you are tom. i know you. most intelligent readers following my conversation with you who don't know you think you're an idiot now. this isn't true. you're just being lazy and easily led by peer pressure.
anyway. i'll include your name when i publish it nationally. not one word will change
so review it. is that okay with you? are you going to come off well if 1,000,000+ readers read that entire exchange between you and me? or do you want to be polite, intelligent and an adult now?
Shams Pirani
with a name like ross parkin, btw, the fact that one parent is black, given that ross looks at least as white as i do - i'm pretty sure they replied to his cv
do tell me what you think of the fact that when i sent out a cv with my name on it, to 150 job ads, i received nothing, but when i sent one with my name as james jarvis, the rest the same, 3 interviews were offered.
are you ready to admit you're wrong and apologise for being so utterly rude?
Shams Pirani
i'm not weak any more
the algo i am currently running turns 100 pounds into 1,000,000 pounds in 2 years
so i am totally free to speak my mind to you
Shams Pirani
and if you need me in future, you need me to not know you're a racist. and only one way to change that, tom, is by removing your racism.
Shams Pirani
now. tell me.
with a name like ross parkin, btw, the fact that one parent is black, given that ross looks at least as white as i do - i'm pretty sure they replied to his cv
do tell me what you think of the fact that when i sent out a cv with my name on it, to 150 job ads, i received nothing, but when i sent one with my name as james jarvis, the rest the same, 3 interviews were offered.
are you ready to admit you're wrong and apologise for being so utterly rude?
Shams Pirani
are you honest enough to clearly, intelligently dignify and respond to the evidence before you? in a court case my evidence wouldn't be ignored the way you do. no prosecution counsel says "my lord, ignoring the cr*p the defending counsel said, forget that, nobody listen to that, this is the truth - the defendant is guilty"
they attempt to disprove the defence
you behave more like numberwang, the game show, than a scientific analysis, whether in a law court or a laboratory
the evidence that britain has a racism problem is irrefutable, the government's own sting operation revealed exactly what my sting operation revealed, only i did it first and published my result on many political forums in the uk, and then they got the idea to do theirs, and confirmed my result
who's on YOUR side? tony blair? rupert murdoch? a lot of CEOs? that's who has taught you what you believe and without any evidence. your views are incorrect because, as you and i know, you haven't done any work to be intelligent and informed before forming them
but please return to my original question. is it FAIR or even SANE that if there is a job say which is very important to protecting the country from things like pand*mics, say. and i apply and you apply. and i am far more likely to do the job correctly than you, you'll get it, because i'm shams and you're tom
that is partly why we are in the mess we are in today
well you are. i'm not. i can turn 100 into 1,000,000 in 2 years. that buys a lot of ross parkins and ollie maddens with PLENTY of change to spare
Shams Pirani
gimme a decade and i can afford 100 stian westlakes, cash, up front. no contract. no receipt
Tom Saunders
Yes, Ross Parkin, I think you owe Shams an apology
Tom Saunders
Shams Pirani Pretty sweet algorithm. 10,000x return in two years. What does it trade?
Ni Ck Alex
Im going to change my name to James Jarvis. Thats what ive learned from this thread!
(And... That its not healthy for people in their mid forties to spend all their time on a computer in their bedroom in their mums house)
Tom Saunders
Shams Pirani How much do you think a Ross Parkin or Ollie Madden would cost?
Shams Pirani
tell you what tom. we can discuss these other matters when you have been polite, 'scientific' and 'democratic' enough to answer my first question again in an adult manner, not like a child...
there we go. so my point and question to you ,to begin with, is this - now at school as you know, i outperformed you by miles, no offence to you, i am an extremely high performer
and yet, for our whole lives, you have better job prospects than i in any case where our employability is allegedly governed by our performance and ability!
now. that's my entire life, living in a fake reality where my skills and ability are disregarded simply because unlike you i am "not white"
currently i am, personally, more powerful than anyone in britain, materially. due to my finalised financial knowledge. but the last 20 years was HIGHLY unfair as is the situation of all non white britons.
do you agree?
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Shams Pirani
tell you what tom. we can discuss these other matters when you have been polite, 'scientific' and 'democratic' enough to answer my first question again in an adult manner, not like a child...
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Shams Pirani
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